Moynahan Surnames

Tuesday, April 2, 2019

Nellie Moynahan'sTrip to Ireland and Scotland in 1908

My second great-aunt Nellie Moynahan (1865-1940) from Windsor, Ontario has always fascinated me growing up and when I heard that Nellie traveled to Ireland, England and Italy in 1908, I wanted to know more.

I am planning a trip to Ireland in 2019 with my brother an sister and we know that our Brennan and Moynahan ancestors came from County Kerry but we haven't located the exact towns in County Kerry. Did Nellie go to county Kerry? Did she visit any family there?

Ellen ("Nellie") first born of Jeremiah and Mary (Brennan) Moynahan & her brother (my great-grandfather) John Moynanan

When Nellie was making her plans to visit Ireland, surely her mother Mary (Brennan) Moynahan (who emigrated in 1853) must have told Nellie stories about her birthplace in County Kerry.

And Nellie's father Jeremiah Moynahan (first son born in Canada the year of the Rebellion 1837) told Nellie about where his father Dennis Moynahan came from in County Kerry.



Nellie Speaks to Oldcastle Women's Institute

I learned that on the first Thursday in August 1912, Nellie was scheduled to speak to the Oldcastle Women's Institute about her trip through Ireland and Scotland. I wondered if there were any records of her talk that could help fill in some of the details? Was there a report of what Nellie said?

Source: The Windsor Star,  22 Jul 1912, page 3
I searched everywhere for records of Ontario Women's Institutes. If minutes of this meetings were taken, they do not appear to have survived. I would have to look elsewhere if I wanted more details on Nellie's trip.

(N.B. See a brief history of the Ontario Women's Institutes at the bottom of this post.)

Teacher Miss Nellie Moynahan Resigns

In July 1978, the Essex Free Press reported that "Seventy years Ago" Nellie Moynahan "resigned as teacher at R.C.S.S. No.7 Maidstone and left on a trip to England, Ireland and Italy".
Essex Free Press; July 28, 1978

I wondered if it would be possible to track her steps on that trip? I wondered if she would have needed a passport to travel to England, Ireland and Italy? I wondered if she traveled alone or with a friend?

When I searched for records in 1908 that might help me track her travels, I learned that:
  • The Government of Canada did not keep records of people leaving the country.
  • Before 1915, the Canadian passport was really a "letter of request" signed by the Governor General and were issued as single-sheet certificates and stamped with the official seal.
  • In 1915 Canada switched to the British form of passport, a ten-section single sheet folder printed in English only.
The Essex Free Press Comes To The Rescue


I searched for the original article in the Essex Free Press in 1908 to see if there were more details but the scanned online copy was illegible http://ink.scholarsportal.info/viewer/cecil/focus/ink/newspapers/efp/01_1906/01079-x0-y0-z1-r0-0-0

So I contacted The Essex Free Press and they were able to send me a copy of the original July 3, 1908 article which carried a lot more information than the 1978 article..

Essex Free Press; July 8, 1908
I know from the article that Nellie Moynahan traveled with Miss Mae McCabe and that they left from the Port of Montreal on the 26th of June, 1908 aboard the steamer Corsican pictured below.

The S.S. Corsican

According to the GG Archives, the S.S. Corsican was a fine ship:
"The 152.48 m long and 18.62 meters wide passenger and cargo ship had a chimney, two masts and two propellers and was powered by two triple expansion steam engines, which contributed 917 nominal horsepower and enabled a top speed of 16 knots."
"The passenger accommodations were designed for 208 passengers of the First, 298 Second and 1000 Third Class. The dining room of the first class was at the front end of the bridge deck and had large, square windows on three sides to let in as much natural light.

In addition, the traveler stood a decorated with silk panels music room and a smoking room with a large skylight made of teak on the promenade deck. The Corsican was equipped with electricity, a ventilation system for fresh air supply and a Marconi radio for wireless telegraphy. To rescue equipment were 16 lifeboats and ten fold folding boats."

1908 Sleeping Accommodations aboard the Allan Line Steamers

1908 Saloon Dining Room aboard the SS Corsican
SS Corsican Plan
When The Corsican Arrived In the Port of Montreal

When the Corsican arrived in the Port of Montreal on Saturday, June 22, 1908, to pick up our Aunt Nellie and her travel mate Mae McCabe, the passengers disembarking included seventy boys who were part of the British Home Child movement that I have written about previously with respect to my 2nd great-aunt Jemima Hind

The Gazette (Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada) 22 Jun 1908, Mon  •  Page 10
 The Corsican was scheduled to leave the Port of Montreal at 9:00 am on June 26, 1908.The cost of tickets can be seen in the advertisement below.

The Gazette (Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada) 24 Jun 1908,
The Corsican Arrived in Liverpool 
June 6

Detroit Free Press: 8 June 1908
Nellie was traveling with Mae McCabe from Hamilton who was sister to Rev. P. McCabe of Maidstone's St. Mary's Parish.

I thought perhaps the McCabes would lead to clues about the Ireland destination for the two women travelers. Father McCabe was born in county Cavan, Ireland in 1854 and he died at Hotel Dieu Hospital in Windsor, Ontario in 1928.

The Windsor Star (Windsor, Ontario, Canada) 17 Nov 1928
The Travel Trail Goes Cold

This is where the trail on Nellie's trip to Ireland, Scotland (and Italy to see the Pope?) grows cold. She lands safely in Liverpool and then the trail ends. If only I had the notes from her Women's Institute talk of 1912.
    More on Nellie Moynahan's Retirement


    Ellen ("Nellie") Moynahan 1865-1940

    Contradicting the 1908 news of Nellie's retirement, she is pictured below at her one-room school house S.S. No. 7 in 1911 with 63 students !



    In 1912, Nellie is still teaching and closed the school for an indefinite period of time due to a scarlet fever outbreak that resulted in the death of eleven-year-old Harold Cavanaugh.


    In 1916, the play "The Shannon Boys" was presented March 17 and 18, 1916 by the Maidstone Dramatic Club and declared a success "largely due to the untiring efforts and able management of Miss Nellie Moynahan under whose supervision the play was presented."


    In 1919, Nellie now 54 years-of-age was credited with the success of the Sandwich South school fair at No. 7 on Talbot road

    The Windsor Star; Oct 2, 1919
     Nellie never married, traveled to teach at her schools by horse and buggy (thrown off in 1892)  and bicycle (fell off in 1904), cared for her parents to their final days, was tireless in all of her activities and loved by both of my grandparents Ernest and Rhea (Coughlin) Moynahan.

    I will continue to search for records that will help me complete the narrative of  Nellie's European travels.
    Nellie Moynahan (432 Hall Ave., Windsor)
    with my Grandfather (her nephew) Ernest Moynahan Sr.

    Windsor Star, Nov. 20, 1940

    Nellie Moynahan

    Nellie Moynahan Headstone St Marys Cemetery, Maidstone

    Previous Posts About Nellie Moynahan

    Women's Institutes in Ontario

    In 1900, the Ontario Department of Agriculture (G.C. Creelman) sent letters to women in rural areas of Ontario to create interest in forming a "Women's Institute".
    The Leader-Post (Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada) 26 Jul 1900, Thu  •  Page 7
    The "Women's Institutes" would be based on the successful model of the "Farmers Institutes" and the government of Ontario was even offering grants to hold the meetings.

    The Leader-Post (Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada) 26 Jul 1900, Thu  •  Page 7
    And there would be rules and regulations that would apply

    The Leader-Post (Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada) 26 Jul 1900, Thu  •  Page 7
     By 1904 there were 57 Women's Institutes in Ontario with a total membership of 5,433 women.
    The Times (London, Greater London, England) 05 Sep 1905, Tue  •  Page 6
    The Maidstone Women's Institute was founded in 1907 and meetings were held in the homes of various members with guest speakers.

    Finding Roach Ancestors in Midleton, Co. Cork, Ireland

    This blog post is one of several that I hope will assist me in locating the townlands and parishes of my ancestors in Ireland. My brother, sister and I will be visiting Ireland and staying in Co. Clare in 2019.


    My 2nd great-grandmother Catherine Roach/Roche (1811-1872) married my 2nd great-grandfather Denis Moynahan (1787-1885) in St. Anne's Church in Detroit, Michigan.

    Keeping in mind that the document records names and place names given to the priest with a thick Irish brogue and then written in french, what we know of Catherine Roach/Roche is that she had resided in Detroit only 7 months; that she came from he parish of Glanworth in the Diocese of Midleton and that her parents were John Roche and Helena McKeley



    Source: Early U.S. French Catholic Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1695-1954
    The Roche (Roach) Surname History
    The Roche family name is very numerous in Ireland especially in Munster and South East.In fact the area round Fermoy was once known as Críoch Róisteach (Roches' Country)
    Roche, together with its variants Roach, Roch, etc., is a name of Norman origin. Although the obvious derivation is from the French roche, "rock", the earliest bearer of the surname in Ireland, Richard FitzGodebert de la Roche, in fact adopted the surname after his place of origin in Wales, Rhos in Pembrokeshire. He was one of the first Norman arrivals, coming in 1167, and acquiring with others of his family large tracts of south Co. Wexford.
    Over the centuries the family became thoroughly hibernicized, to the point where they were prominent in the many rebellions against English rule, the best-known being Father Philip Roche, who led the Irish in the Battle of Horetown in 1798.
    The name is still strongly linked Castletownroche (Cork). This last name reflects the prominence of the family around the modern town of Fermoy in Co. Cork, where they prospered greatly. They became Viscounts Roche, a title which became extinct in the 18th century. Source: John Grenham's "Irish Ancestors"
    Source: https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=Roache


    The Roche family name is very numerous: Munster and South East etc. Ir. de Róiste, from French roche, a rock. Normans who became established in Wexford and Munster after the Invasion. The area round Fermoy was known as Críoch Róisteach (Roches' Country). IF.

    Source: Roach surnames and baptisms in Glanworth, Cork


    Roche Links
    Glanworth & Middleton
    Ireland

    The parishes of Ireland are complicated. There are civil parishes and ecclesiastical or church parishes and townlands and baronies not to mention dioceses are confusing.


    Midleton, Glanworth, Cork, Ireland Links
    Roach Links





    Monday, April 1, 2019

    Finding our Coughlin and Duffy Ancestors In Ireland

    This blog post is one of several that I hope will assist me in locating the townlands and parishes of my ancestors in Ireland. My brother, sister and I will be visiting Ireland in 2019.

    Our Coughlin Ancestors 



    It was only recently that I broke through the brick wall for my Coughlin family tree. and even more recently that I received the death certificate for my 2nd great grandfather Michael Coughlin. 

    On February 27, 2018, I mailed away for my great-grandfather Michael Coughlin's (1840-1921) death certificate and I received it (one year later) in the first week of January 2019 and learned the names of Michael's parents (Patrick and Margaret (McGrath) Coughlin) for the very first time!


    County In Ireland Unknown

    In the case of the Moynahans, Brennans, Husseys, Brodericks and Roaches, the county in Ireland where they came from was found either on death certificates or in their obituaries.

    This is not the case for the Coughlins so I must rely upon Irish databases to point me to areas that may be where they came from.

    Michael Coughlin 1840-1921

    Poughkeepsie photograph from the photo album of Rhea (Coughlin) Moynahan (1902-1992)
    My 2nd great-grandfather Michael Coughlin (pictured on the left in the doorway in Poughkeepsie, N.Y.)  was born in Ireland in 1840.

    The records state that he arrived in United States either
    • 1855 (at 15 years of age) according to the 1900 U.S. census (Poughkeepsie, Ward 1, Dutchess, N.Y.) The same census reported that he was married 35 years meaning his marriage occurred in 1865.
    • 1860 according to the 191 U.S. census ((Poughkeepsie, Ward 1, Dutchess, N.Y.)
    Our Duffy Ancestors

    The first time that I saw the Duffy name was on the baptismal certificate fr my great grandfather William Henry Coughlin

    My Great-Grandfather William Henry Coughlin's Poughkeepsie, N.Y. birth certificate

    I have not located the death date or final resting place for my 2nd great-grandmother Margaret Duffy (1842-1915). I am estimating her death date based upon how her husband, my 2nd great-grandfather Michael Coughlin, answered questions on the census about whether he was married or not.

    He consistently answered that he was married even though Margaret was not living with him in the censuses 1875-1915 and it wasn't until the 1920 census that Michael stated that he was a widow. It is my belief that Margaret (Duffy) Coughlin was institutionalized somewhere in New York State. I have searched those records and have not been able to locate her at this time.

    Margaret Duffy is found living with her family on the 1870 U.s. Federal census and the 1875 U.S. State census only.

    Once I locate Margaret (Duffy) Coughlin's death date, I will order her death certificate in the hope that her parents will be listed.

    John Grenham's "Irish Ancestors" Website

    I subscribed to John Grenham's website for several months to see if I could solve the Coughlin Duffy origins in Ireland. 

    The fact that Michael Coughlin's arrival in the United States was between 1855-1860 means that more records were being kept and this improving our chances of locating him. Here is what I learned

    On the Origin of the Coughlin Name

    John Grenham writes,
    "Two original Irish versions of Coughlan (and its variants (O')Coghlan, Coglin and Cohalan) exist, O Cochlain and Mac Cochlain, both derived from cochal, meaning "cloak" or "hood". 

    The Mac Cochlain were part of the great tribal grouping of the Dal gCais, claiming descent from the semi-mythical Cas, which also produced the O'Briens and the McNamaras. Their territory was in the present Co. Offaly, near the modern town of Banagher. 

    They retained a large measure of their influence even after the seventeenth century, with Members of parliament of the name in 1689 and 1790. As recently as the early nineteenth century the family are recorded as landlords in the area. Shale (Coughlan) in Killoscully parish in Co. Tipperary, near the Offaly border, records their name.

    Co. Cork was the homeland of the O Cochlain, where the name appears to have arisen in more than one area, with mention of the name in the Blackwater valley region and in a territory near the modern town of Mallow. 

    The strongest historical association of the name in Cork, however, is with the baronies of East and West Carbury, and Barrymore, and particularly with the Schull-Kilmore district of West Cork. The name is now common throughout west Cork. Interestingly, the surname tends to be pronounced differently in different areas of Co. Cork, as "Cocklin" in the west and "Cawlin" in the east."
    SourceL Irish Origenes: Two original Irish versions of Coughlan exist, Ó Cochlain and Mac Cochlain

    When the Griffiths Valuation was taken in Ireland, the mao below shows the istribution of the Coughlin name.

    Source: https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=Coughlin

    Irish Parishes Where Coughlin & McGrath 
    Are Found Together 

    Thanks to John Grenham's website, we can see where the surnames of our 3rd great grandparents, Patrick Coughlin and Margaret McGrath were found:

    Source: John Grenham: https://www.johngrenham.com/surnamescode/twosurnames.php?surname2=McGrath&surname=Coughlin

     On the Origin of the Duffy Name

    "In Irish Duffy is O Dubhthaigh, from dubhthach, meaning "the dark one". Several different families of the name arose separately in different places, the most important being in Donegal, Roscommon and Monaghan. 

    In Donegal the family were centred on the parish of Templecrone, where they remained powerful churchmen for almost eight hundred years. Here the name has also been anglicised as Dowey or Doohey. The Roscommon family too had a long association with the church, producing a succession of distinguished abbots and bishops. The area around Lissonuffy in the north-east of the county, which is named after them, was the centre of their influence. From this source, the name is now common in north Connacht. The Monaghan O'Duffys were rulers of the area around Clontibret. They too contributed a great deal to the church, with a huge number of parish clergy of the name. They flourished through the centuries, and Duffy is now the single most common name in Co. Monaghan.
    In Ulster the name may also be an anglicisation of the Scots Gaelic Mac Dhuibhshith, more usually rendered as McFie, though also sometimes given as McFee, McAfee or Mahaffy."
    When the Griffiths Valuation was taken in Ireland, the mao below shows the istribution of the Coughlin name.
    Coughlin Links - General

    The Connecticut, New York, Michigan & Ontario Coughlins
    Duffy Links - General

    Sunday, March 31, 2019

    Finding Our Moynahan Ancestors In County Kerry, Ireland

    This blog post is one of several that I hope will assist me in locating the townlands and parishes of my ancestors in Ireland. My brother, sister and I will be visiting Ireland and staying in Kerry in 2019.

    Kerryman Matthew Moynahan

    My 4th great grandfather Matthew Moynahan (1770-1860) emigrated from county Kerry in the 1820s with my 4th great grandmother Honora (O'Leary) Moynahan  (b. 1774) and Matthew died in Maidstone, Ontario in 1860. Matthew and Honora had six sons and three daughters in Ireland.

    Burial record: 5 Feb 1860 (Maidstone, Ontario)
    Source: Catholic Church Records, Drouin Collection (1747-1967)
    Matthew Moynahan's 1856 memorial registration at the Archives of Ontario (GS 987 Sandwich Township, Essex County, Deed, Vol. D, 1857-1860, #581-993)

    Kerryman Dennis Moynahan

    My 3rd great grandfather Denis Moynahan (1787-1885) emigrated from county Kerry the same time (1820s) and married Catherine Roach at Ste. Anne's Roman Catholic church in Detroit Michigan in 1833 om the 29th of April.


    Kerryman Timothy Moynahan

    My 4th great-uncle Timothy Moynahan (1813-1902) tells the story of his emigration from County Kerry as follows
    Detroit Free PressNovember 25, 1900
    "To begin at the beginning, I was born in Count Kerry eighty seven years ago and came over when I was nine years of age, my folks settling in Pennsylvania where we lived three years before coming to Windsor.  
    The Thomas of Cork, Captain Bamfield , master, was the ship upon which we sailed. She was an old war remnant, as slow as molasses in January and the trip occupied six weeks and three days.

    A lonely voyage it would have been too if it had not been for the fact that there were sixty-two women, a flute player and a piper aboard. The women were wives of soldiers that were serving the crown in this country, and they were coming over to join their husbands.

    Between the women and the musicians, the time passed pleasantly. The piper was an untiring Highlander, and he succeeded in driving all the rats from the old schooner. The music of the Scotch bagpipes will do that same you know."
    Moynahans in County Kerry Ireland 1688

    I have struggled researching Irish records and have been unsuccessful locating any that directly connect to my ancestors.

    For example, there is a reference to "Teague Moynahan in the "The Forfeitures of 1688" (found in Selections From Old Kerry Records: Historical And Genealogical; by Hickson, Mary Agnes) has intrigued me because I do NOT understand what is actually going on in this list where "Teague Moynahan" appears as No. 2220.
    Selections From Selections From Old Kerry Records: Historical And Genealogical; by Hickson, Mary Agnes
    This is the enlarged view of the section that I wish to understand starting at "No. 2220"

    Selections From Old Kerry Records: Historical And Genealogical; by Hickson, Mary Agnes

    County Kerry 1700s-1820s


    Draconian anti-Catholic legislation (called the Penal Laws) was imposed from 1703 limiting the right of Catholics to own property above a certain value;  to hold public positions; and to receive education.

    According to "Families of Co Kerry" by O'Laughlin referrencing the 1901 census work by J. King:
    The name Moynihan, Monighan was one of the more numerous family names in Co. Kerry, 183 families are given there. In 1776 lived Arthur of Stagmount, Malaky of Knockaliffan, Thady of Rhabeg, Darby of Carrum, Thady of Newbridgt. Humphrey Moynihan of Rathbeg, m. Catherine O'Connell, sister of the Liberator.. Spellings of the name are numerous with Moynihan, Monighan, Monaghan and Monahan. given."

    Between 1703 and 1820 there was a lot of upheaval in County Kerry:
    • 1780-  Rural Rioting throughout the decade
    • 1793-  The Dingle Massacre"In Dingle there was a British army post. In the year 1793 there was a major agitation against excessive rent by tennats of the Mullins estate. At a big demonstration in Dingle in June, 1793, the soldiers, on Mullins orders, opened fire, killing fourteen and wounding many others."  (Source: Discovering Kerry by T. J. Barrington page 234)
    • 1821-  Rural Rioting, Tithe Wars, Martial law declared
    • 1820's-  Daniel O'Connell of Kerry Catholic Emancipation Movement


    The Moynahans in Ontario
    1820s to 1920s

    Because we have not located the emigration records or any records of the three years our MOynahan ancestors may have stayed in Pennsylvania, all that we know about our Moynahan ancestors was learned from records found in Canada and the United States.

    We also have the wonderful story of the Kerry woman from the crossroads in Kenmare who lived right next to my 3rd great-grandfather Dennis Moynahan  Margaret (Sullivan) O'Falvey (1825-1884) in Maidstone, Ontario who may also provide clues to our Kerry Roots.

    Source: Ancestry.com. Ireland, Lawrence Collection of photographs, 1870 - 1910 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.
    Source: Ancestry.com. Ireland, Lawrence Collection of photographs, 1870 - 1910 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011.


    1820-1830
    • 1822 Timothy Moynahan (9 years old) emigrates from County Kerry on "The Thomas of Cork, Captain Bamfield , master," and he and his family settled "in Pennsylvania where we lived three years before coming to Windsor......there were sixty-two women, a flute player and a piper aboard. The women were wives of soldiers that were serving the crown in this country, and they were coming over to join their husbands."(Source: Detroit Free Press 1901)
    • 1825 Patrick Moynahan was located by Col. Thos. Talbot at 289 North Talbot Rd, Maidstone, Ontario  
    • 1830 Joanna Moynahan married Patrick Sullivan in New York, USA
     1830-1835
    • 1830 Denis Moynahan was located by Col. Thos. Talbot at 6 South Middle Rd., Maidstone, Ontario
    • 1831 Denis Moynahan's marriage record states that he "arrived in Detroit in 1831." 
    • 1831 Matthew Moynahan was located by Col. Thos. Talbot at 296 North Talbot Rd. Sandwich, Ontario in  
    • 1832 James Moynahan married Catherine Hart in Oct at St. Anne's , Detroit, Michigan
    • 1832 James Moynahan was located by Col. Thos. Talbot at 290 North Talbot Rd. Sandwich, Ontario 
    • 1833 Denis Moynahan married Catherine Roach April 29 at St. Anne's , Detroit, Michigan
    1835-1840
    • 1837 Jeremiah Moynahan born on 6 SMR, Maidstone, Ontario 
    • 1839 Jeremiah Moynahan born on 6 SMR, Maidstone, Ontario (27 March) (according to 1901 census)
    • 1842 Mary (Brennan) Moynahan born (March 20) in Kerry, Ireland
    1840-1850
    •  1847 Dennis Moynahan recieves his land grant of 100 Acres (6 SMR, Maidstone, Ontario)
    1850-1860
    • 1853 the Brennan family emigrates from Count Kerry, Ireland to America (Source: 1911 Census)
    • 1858 James Moynahan died January 1 in Wayne, Michigan U.S.A.
    • 1860 Matthew Moynahan died  February 3 in Essex, Ontario
    1860-1890
    • 1860 Mathew Moynahan dies (Feb ) in Maidstone, Ontario
    • 1863 the Brennan family emigrates from Count Kerry, Ireland to America (Source: 1921 Census)
    • 1871 Catherine (Roach) Moynahan died March 10 in London, Ontario (burial unknown)
    • 1881 John Brennan died April 21 and he is buried in St. Mary's cemetery in Maidstone
    • 1882 Jeremiah Moynahan died AApr 26) in Detroit Michigan
    • 1885 Denis Moynahan died in Detroit (Aug 26) and is buried in the Mt Elliott cemetery
    1890-1930
    • 1891 Catherine (Bowler) Brennan died and she is buried in St. Mary's cemetery in Maidstone
    • 1891 Joanna (Moynahan) Sullivan died (Feb 4)  in Webster, Michigan
    • 1893 John Moynahan bcomes Clerk of the First Sabdwich South Ton Council
    • 1922  Jeremiah Moynahan died June 22 and he is buried in St. Mary's cemetery in Maidstone
    • 1926 Mary (Brennan) Moynahan died June 26 and she is buried in St. Mary's cemetery in Maidstone


    Ireland Townland Clues
    Our 3rd Great-grandparents 1833 Marriage Certificate

    Our 3rd great-grandparents (Denis Moynahan and Catherine Roach) were married in Detroit at Ste.Anne's Roman Catholic church on the 29th of April 1833. The original french records were later transcribed and record two different parishes in county Kerry.



    Parish of Himeguennay County Kerry
    Parish of Kilcrohane County Kerry

    There is no question that Moyahans and Learys were plentiful plentiful in county Kerry
    at the time of Griffiths valuation which took place between 1848 and 1862
    which is over a decade after Denis and Catherine were married in Detroit

    Source: John Grenham's "Irish Ancestors": Moynahan & Leary
    Similarly, when we look at the "The Tithe Applotment Books" which were compiled between 1823 and 1838, the Moynahans an Learys are plentiful in county Kerry.
     
    Source: National Library of Ireland

    Where in Kerry Are The Moynahans From?

    Keeping in mind that the Detroit marriage records, as inconsistent as the parishes are, point to County Kerry consistently. I state this because often when researching "Kilcrohane, Kerry" I receive comments that Kilcrohane is in County Cork.

    With Kilcrohane, Cork ruled out, the two most likely parishes are either Kilcrohane in Dunkerron or Kilcummin in Magunihy. 

    The Griffiths Valuation of Ireland for Kilcummin, County Kerry reads like the Maidstone Directory with surnames like: Bowler, Brennan, Cahill, Collins, Connell, Cronin, Crowley, Falvey, Foley, Hickey, Leary, Lynch, Lyon, McCarthy, McSweeny, Moynahan, Moynihan, Murphy, Neill, O'Brien, O'Leary, O'Roirdan, O'Sullivan and Walsh o name a few.
     
    Kilcrohane Civil Parish in Dunkerron
    Kilcummin Parish in Magunihy

    On the Samuel Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837) map below, on either side of the town of Kenmare,  you can see Kilcrohane, (a parish in the barony of Dunkerron), at the bottom left and Kilcummin (a civil parish in Magunihy) in the upper right.

    Source: Samuel Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837)

     A summary of research sources for Kilcrohane Civil Parish, Kerry

    Kilcrohane Links
    Kerry Census Substitutes
    Kerry Local History Books
    • Sneem, The Knot in the Ring; T.E. Stoakley
    • Discovering Kerry;  T.J Barrington
    • Houses of Co. Kerry; V.A. Bary; 247 p. Details county families
    • The famine in Kerry; Michael Costello
    • Handbook of Co. Kerry Family History etc; H. A Denny
    • Old world colony : Cork and South Munster 1630-1830; David Dickson
    • Finding your Ancestors in Kerry; Kay Moloney Caball
    • A Guide to Tracing your Kerry Ancestors; Michael O'Connor 
    We still have not determined the exact townland of our Moynahan ancestors but we will be staying in the area around Kenmare, Killarney and Kilcummin and hope to learn more.